Shout out to ole Ganadar, Clownboat, Eviscerator & the rest. /love

Thanks for your comment. I am always trying to improve the stuff here. If you have the criticism, then you should also provide the data/formula/facts to back it up, otherwise it is your opinion, no? I will try to perform a test myself, but you can make yourself a believer by doing the same thing. If I have time, I’ll gladly do a test to share my results with you.

So what should I test?
What have I got to test with?
Offhand or mainhand, or both?
Use grey weapons so the baseline of the tests have less variants to skew results?
Imbues are both Windfury 5, or a mix of Flametoungue or Rockbiter or Frostbrand?

tests:
(a) [2.6 main-hand WF + 2.6 off-hand WF]
(b) [2.6 main-hand WF + 1.8 off-hand WF]
(c) [1.8 main-hand WF + 1.8 off-hand WF]
(d) [1.8 main-hand WF + 2.6 off-hand WF]

My educated guess is that test (a) above will out damage the others.

Thanks for the comment.

- A

1: It’s great that a list like this is put together, it allows at-glance comparison of the AEP values of different weapons.

2: Exelus: Saying that someone is an asshat simply because he states an opinion (without any personal attacks) is quite ignorant. (That means your statement was ignorant, not you personally.)

3: Daggers + Windfury = crying baby jesus. Just don’t do it. The list is useable of you take away all daggers/sub 2.4 speed weapons. (Ooooh, my offhand dagger just windfuried for 100, 200 and 230! New OH WF record!)

Testing has shown that daggeroffhand + flametounge can be used as a stopgap measure in between weapons, but does not compare to 2.5+ weapons. If anyone goes out and bids on a dagger that others were hungry for based on your list, they will and SHOULD be contested in that decision.

I applaud your list and the initiative, but I criticise your inclusion of subpar enhancement weapons in it. (If you would present logs like the ones frequent on the rest of your page to prove that daggers are viable, I will retract my statement and fully endorse the list.)

Prove it! Make me a believer!

I will update this soon. Thanks again.

arenas: I basically counted on Heroism/Bloodlust and maxing out AP for a 30% chance for a WF proc on a caster or softy class for a 8k – 10k triple or quadruple WF. A lot of Arena is based on luck, but just need to call out the enemy to strike first, get the team behind you and WHACK him fast before he gets a chance to counter/retaliate.

Run quick and carry a bit friggin stick.

Which kind of brings me to another little request. Any good enchanement shammys like to share some arena tips/advice? Maybe asirae could do a post on this subject???

I think you will get more bang for your buck that way.

@Obeliske: you’re welcome

From the bottom of my Fist weapons
Thank you for the list

I agree w/what you are saying, but I am saying something else.

One: Here’s a news blast: some people just don’t want to run a sim. Dumb as it may be, all dps shamans have not run a sim to decide on gear. I know, I know… silly enough, but true.

Two: Your theory and mine are different. I am not including all possible variables, just a basis for (if every shaman wore the same gear + buff + abilties + talents + attacked the same vs. a raid boss) measuring the impact of each weapon coupling (main & off) based on 2.6 speed weapons (the most popular, but only by data mining wowarmory to get 64% of enhancement spec’d shamans have 2.6 weapons), and using the stats modifiers found on EJ Enhance Shaman Theorycrafting for T6-ish gear. I admit that assumption is widely in error, so I encourage you to make a list (multiple lists) for each weapon speed.

I am not deceiving anyone, this is *my* list of weapons and complete theorycraft for sure. If you make the assumption of this is a standard for enhance shamans, maybe this is some form of a compilation of EJ theorycrafting, or that I am publishing this to make it so, then you are the fool, not I.

Three: No problem with removing the EJ label.

A reason why I wanted to put up a weapon index was to provoke conversation & competition. I’ve never seen any other such indexes, so I made my 1st draft.

I was hoping some of the experienced and wise enhancement shamans out there would come up with some kind of list of weapons themselves or a better “tool” to compare gear with (maxdps.com is pretty close), but no one has communicated effectively, just citing one example or another but not bothering to come up with a definitive list or formula that will work for 99% of weapons out there. I get the following :

a) EJ forum members say there is no way to do it, in fact it is stupid to attempt it
b) EJ forum members say every shaman is different
c) formulae is different for each situation
d) addons do it for you
e) people just say this index here is trash, but the same people can only criticize rather than come up with something like this themselves because of the previous mentioned excuses

What I propose is this:
a) assume every enhance shaman is the same (gear, talents, etc.)
b) assume this list is for PVE vs. raid bosses
c) show each sim result (time consuming I take it, but then you would have the accuracy you so much desire).

Until I see something better, I’m going to continue to use this.
This is one’s attempt at a weapons list, no more, no less.

Take it with a grain of salt, your mileage may vary.

- A